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Poster: Jobygoob Date: Oct 19, 2010 6:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Phish?

I agree with the comment that Phish is mainly popular with kids that were too young to have seen the Dead when they were any good. Many of my close friends these days are five to ten years younger than I and most are big Phish fans as well as latter day Deadheads (having only been able to see a few 90s shows is why I call them latter day heads) so I agree there.

The only Phish I've ever enjoyed was the album Billy Breathes, particularly the songs "Free" and "Waste". I thought it was a great, very polished record. Of course all my friends tell me that Billy Breathes is widely considered the worst of all the Phish albums so it goes to show what I know about it.

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Poster: elkdog Date: Oct 19, 2010 6:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Phish?

Billy Breathes is my favorite Phish album. Others have more songs that may be great live, but in terms of a disc to listen to, that's long been my favorite.

Phish's big jam pieces have generally been less focused on the Americana side of things, though some recent compositions have brought that in a bit as well. I think, though, that the difference in their musical roots is part of why a lot of Deadheads aren't moved by Phish. Simply put, they're inspired by a different set of music (Yes, Talking Heads, Velvet Underground, etc.), though they clearly appreciate the way the Dead operated.

Basically, I don't want to cast Phish as a surrogate for Deadheads born too late. I'm 30, love both bands, and find Phish engaging in completely different ways than the Dead.

This post was modified by elkdog on 2010-10-19 13:33:54

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Poster: Jobygoob Date: Oct 19, 2010 7:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Phish?

Thanks, you're the first Phish fan that ever agreed with me about that album. I'm always laughed at for saying I liked it. I actually played the song Waste quite often with my band. I love that song, so lovely and there's wonderful opportunities for genuinely beautiful vocal harmonies.

That being said I've seen Phish three times locally and I have to agree with Cliff, nothing about those live performances moved me in any way. I looked around in wonder and amazement at the level of devotion some of those kids were displaying all around me to what sounded like the same three notes played over and over again for twenty minutes.

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Poster: elkdog Date: Oct 19, 2010 8:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Phish?

I also think "Theme From The Bottom" is pretty incredible on that album.

As for the live shows, I'm not one to argue about music, and I respect your experience of Phish. I don't subscribe to the pseudo-religious rhetoric that some use to describe their live shows, but I really dig some of their groove-based and atmospheric jamming, which sounds like the exact points that turned you off. Perhaps their earlier (pre-1996 or so) shows might sound better to you, but again, there's no creed that one has to sign off on- like the parts you like, and listen to what you like... like the Dead.

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Poster: ice9freak Date: Oct 19, 2010 2:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Phish?

That makes three of us. Billy Breathes is easily their strongest studio effort.